Can a person have a god and be that same god?

Is Christ equal to his Father or does he worship God?


John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."


and then again the spirit person of Christ, from heaven in a vision to John says he worships God at Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."





how can Christ be equal to God?

Can a person have a god and be that same god?
hmm


you make a great point!


in those Scriptures Jesus is in a human form in John





but he is in his spirit form in Revelation





so those who argue that he was still god but lesser in his human form have no explanation for his worship of YHWH/Jehovah in Revelation





then theres also this very compelling destruction of the idea of a trinity:


1 Corinthians 15:20-28


And now, Christ hath risen out of the dead -- the first-fruits of those sleeping he became, for since through man [is] the death, also through man [is] a rising again of the dead, for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive, and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence, then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power -- for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet -- the last enemy is done away -- death; for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, [it is] evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him, and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.





I believe that the Bible is very clear that Yhshua/Jesus is *not* equal parts in some trinity with YHWH/Jehovah at all, but it is quite clear that Christ serves and worships his heavenly Father at all times in the past, present and future.





agape!





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Reply:You will see in the scriptures what you want to see. God is not mocked! see Proverbs 18:2


A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.


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Reply:JESUS is the son of GOD,that is why we say in the heanenly father in our prayer for noone gets to GOD but through JESES,
Reply:He is not God,nor did he ever say he was. He said "My father is Greater than I." The Guru and Pure Spiritual master is simultaneously one with yet different from God. That means He is part and parcel of God as we all are all just minute sparks of His splendor. God is great we are small. Jesus's word was nondifferent than the word of God,because Jesus was a self realized soul. Meaning He was always in full constant contact and in his pure relationship with God.(within his heart) so God was speaking through Jesus. Jesus is the Pure Son and Servant of God. We can also follow in his footsteps and realize our eternal pure loving relationship with God, by following Jesuses instructions, like "Go and sin no more." The holy spirit is God within the heart and Jesus had realized the Holy spirit within his heart.Jesus is never God. For the original New Testament before king Constantine changed so many things Google gospelofthenazirenes.com Jesus originally taught karma, reincarnation, vegetarianism and no one goes to hell eternally. Constantine changed the Bible that's a fact.
Reply:God has no form, no shape, and no substance, God is pure spirit only, and God resides within every living thing, so yes, we are all equal to Jesus who, like us, has God within
Reply:To answer that, we have to understand the logic of relations and differences.





Theologians have long pondered the problem that if the persons of the Trinity are truly distinct (Jesus being the second person of the Trinity who has assumed a human nature and has united it to His divine nature), and each person is truly God, then how is it that the Trinity is one God and not three - how does one answer the charge that the doctrine of the Trinity is the proposal of polytheism.





The solution that the Fathers of the Church arrived at, which was accepted by the Church, is that the persons of the Trinity are distinguished by their "relations of origin" - this means that as the Father begets and the Son is begotten, that is the *only* difference between them, as in all other respects they are the same - by extension, the only difference between the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, and not vice-versa - so in the Trinity, there is an identity of being, but a difference of relation - it can be said that God is one being in three internal relations - of course we cannot view the begetting of the Son by the Father as some physical process, like the birthing of a child, since God is not material at all but pure spirit - it would be more likened to light eternally emanating from light - Father and Son are simply analogues which denote what is beyond human comprehension - from another point of view, an applicable analogue would be husband and wife, as human language is simply too poor to capture the realities involved - all valid human relationships are patterned on the Trinity, but only as remote analogues of it - God, in and of Himself, is supreme and incomprehensible mystery.





They are but one will, one power, one purpose, but each of the persons sees the other two precisely as "other" as otherness is an irreducible property that is necessary for the union of love - as mere identity is simple absorbtion, so that what one has in the final analysis is simply oneself, as the other has been absorbed into the self becoming absolutely one with it without distinction, so there would be no union of love but simply a solitary self in the end - as in no matter how close the intimacy with another person, the distinctive otherness of the person must remain for there to be intimacy.














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Reply:Christ is both the son of God and the human incarnation of God, which separates himself from all other humans.


In essence, He is the image of God.
Reply:No
Reply:yes a person can be their own God especially Humanists but as far as Christ being God you have a good point and I can't answer
Reply:Yes, it's called divine humility.
Reply:Wow, what some interesting answers! I'd like to comment on some of them:





God is equal to God and always has been because he is God, but he humbled himself and made himself equal to all men when he was here on earth.








At no time and place in the Bible does it say that Jesus is equal to God. At John 5:18 it wasn't Jesus or his followers who said that he was equal to God, but it was his enemies who were seeking to kill him. They also accused him of breaking the sabbath and that was a false charge also. If you read the next verses you can see that Jesus did not agree with them, but instead he defended himself against those charges, Isaiah 9:6 says that he would be called "mighty God", but only his father, Jehovah is ever referred to as almighty, such as at Genesis 17:1. The Tetragrammaton (the consonants of God's personal name) appear here in the original Hebrew. Also God did not come to earth. Read John 3:17:





(John 3:17) 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. . .





So it wasn't God, but it was his son who came to earth, and rather than saying that he was equal to his father Jesus said exactly the opposite:





(John 14:28) 28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.





Now also if Jesus were the same person as his father then he wouldn't have to leave to go to him, would he?





Was God on earth? Not according to Jesus and the apostle John:





(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.(John 4:24) God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth."





(John 5:37) Also, the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. YOU have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his figure;





(John 6:46) Not that any man has seen the Father, except he who is from God; this one has seen the Father.





(1 John 4:12) 12 At no time has anyone beheld God. If we continue loving one another, God remains in us and his love is made perfect in us.








Now:








Its relative to the dimension of manifestation.......Matter is the lowest vibration of Spirit as Spirit is the highest vibration of matter.............A good analogy would be the difference between latent energy and pure energy.





That isn't the way that the original language words that "spirit" is translated from is used in the Bible . Another way that the same word is translated is "wind" . The word denotes an invisible force, not a state of matter.





As for the post by canx_mp058 , consider these verses:





(1 Timothy 4:1-3) 4 However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.





(2 Timothy 4:3-4) 3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories.. . 


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(2 Thessalonians 2:3) 3 Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.
Reply:God is equal to God and always has been because he is God, but he humbled himself and made himself equal to all men when he was here on earth.
Reply:Its relative to the dimension of manifestation.......Matter is the lowest vibration of Spirit as Spirit is the highest vibration of matter.............A good analogy would be the difference between latent energy and pure energy.
Reply:the Father is the GOD of JESUS ,and the trinity is our GOD.


JESUS was GOD and the son of GOD ,the BIBLE says through him was made all things.
Reply:its called narcissistic personality disorder
Reply:Yes. If I think that God is everything and I am part of that everything then it is possible.
Reply:Christ is equal with God because He is of the same Spirit. If I poured a glass of water from a pitcher of water, would it be correct to say that the water in the glass and the water in the pitcher are an equal substance? Of course, for one came from the other and is of the other. Is it true to say that my words are part of me? Sure. Likewise Christ is the words of God (John 1:1). And He worships the Lord God who sent him. Therefore, we worship both the Lord God and his words for both are God.