Saturday, November 14, 2009

TRINITARIANS: Did Jesus have a God?

Do these texts show that Jesus had the same God as his followers. If not than was he talking to himself? If so than does that show Jesus is not God





Mark 15:34 “34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?””





John 20 :17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

TRINITARIANS: Did Jesus have a God?
When Jesus cried, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" he was talking to his Father, just as he was referring to not having ascended to his Father when he was talking to the women after his crucifixion. Until he ascended, he was still, as man, doing the will of his Father. "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." When Jesus was born on this earth, he took on human form as God's son. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...." When Jesus ascended to heaven after his resurrection, he was seated at the right hand of God to assume his rightful place again as God. While Jesus was on earth, he never forgot his "God-ship". He forgave sins, a prerogative of God alone, he claimed to be the I AM, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, he accepted worship, due only to God alone, and stated that "my Father and I are one." If he indeed is not God, as you say, he is also not a good man or a prophet: he's a bold-faced liar and a impersonator. And that is totally ridiculous.....to say nothing of blasphemy!
Reply:AMEN!
Reply:HE is simply praying to the FATHER. By the way, HE is quoting Psalms 22.





GOD bless
Reply:Jesus' Father was God. And Jesus was God. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:1,14
Reply:The idea is, Jesus was the son, a seperate being. So he was part of God, but not the whole. He wasn't talking to himself.
Reply:This is such a Oneness Pentecostal Question, in which Oneness have a problem answer as well. I will answer this question anyway.





First we must understand that Jesus is God and never stopped being God at any point. He refused to tap into his Divinity while on earth. Philippians 2:5-8 which says:





“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”





Jesus made a choice, to be God in Flesh (John 1:14), and accepting the limitations of man through out his 33.5 years of His life on Earth. All human must have a God and therefore accepting the limitation of man He made that choice here on earth.





A question for the Oneness Believer: If God is uni-personal, how can you explain that Jesus had a God? The bible clear teaches He did. Email me if you are willing to answer.


Just to let you know I was a Oneness Pentecostal for over 20 years and have come to know truth.
Reply:On earth yes in heaven he was God.

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